Snell "Support Group"

[NewLaura]

^^  Aw, thanks, Vinay.      Maybe if the gossip inspires me, I'll try to write more conversations every once in a while.  I learned so much from that whole process.



Here are two corrections for the ch.18 sentences from above.


1.  While watching Hindi films, we are learning Hindi, too.
१.   हिन्दी फिल्में देखते-देखते  हम  हिन्दी  भी  सीख  रहे  हैं ।


10.  Get these sentences translated by someone.
१०.   इन  वाक्यों  का किसी  से  अनुवाद  करवा  लो ।

[omlick]

She has been teaching Hindi for six months.
९.  उसे  हिन्दी  सीखाते  हुए  छह  महीने  हुए  हैं ।


comment:

If she is still teaching then हुए should be हो रहे

उसे  हिन्दी  सीखाते  हुए  छह  महीने  हो रहे  हैं ।

[v9y]

She has been teaching Hindi for six months.
९.  उसे  हिन्दी  सीखाते  हुए  छह  महीने  हुए  हैं ।


comment:

If she is still teaching then हुए should be हो रहे

उसे  हिन्दी  सीखाते  हुए  छह  महीने  हो रहे  हैं ।

I don't see any problem with 'हुए हैं'. 'हो रहे हैं' there, OTOH, would be odd. That construction would generally be used if she is approaching 6 months of teaching; similar in usage to 'होने वाले हैं'.

BTW, it should be 'सिखाते' with a chhoTii इ.

[someone]

She has been teaching Hindi for six months.
९.  उसे  हिन्दी  सीखाते  हुए  छह  महीने  हुए  हैं ।

FWIW, if asked to translate this raw out of the blue, I'd probably have said 'वो ६ महीनों से हिन्दी सिखा रही हैं।'

If asked to translate the Hindi sentence you and omlick have, I'd translate that into English as: It's coming on (or been) 6 months that she's [been] teaching Hindi.

[derketchup]

Pardon me if this was already posted (a search came up null but you know how that goes):

http://www.hindiurduflagship.org/resources/tymaterials.html

This is Dr. Snell's website at his university, and it has more learning materials.   

[punkmama]

Pardon me if this was already posted (a search came up null but you know how that goes):

http://www.hindiurduflagship.org/resources/tymaterials.html

This is Dr. Snell's website at his university, and it has more learning materials.   

thank you! that is the system that i am using predominantly. going to check out the resources on his site...

[chrism]

Hello everybody. Some months ago I learned from this thread which teacher to choose (Snell) and bought the books. Then I coasted, just enjoying learning something about the history of the language, etc.

Finally I started with Devanagari, and I'm happy to report that I have now worked my way through the first three sets of consonants, and have just completed Exercise One! This is going slowly, but only because I'm enjoying the process of learning how to do the letters so much that I'm not rushing toward any particular goal. I just enjoy doing them over and over. It's like calligraphy, but with way more meaning for me. Meanwhile, it's been so fascinating to learn more about the history of the language, the spellings, etc. - I'm already understanding more in the movies just by learning to hear the sounds better.

Anyway, thanks to this thread I knew Snell was the best, and now (or as I progress - weeks, months or years) I can look forward to getting caught up with all these posts. Agree with an early poster that I wish there were more exercises, but suspect I might find some here. I am really happy  Thanks everyone for being here! 

[Usha]

I`m reading RS Beginners Hindi ( I`m at chapter 8 )
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beginners-Hindi-Teach-Yourself-Languages/dp/0340856548/ref=pd_sim_b_3

And I wonder when I`m finished with that, is it natural to start with RS Teach yourself Hindi ? Is that book more advanced ?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Teach-Yourself-Hindi-Complete-Courses/dp/0340913827/ref=pd_sim_b_3

I`m also thinking about buying RS Beginners Hindi Script, since I feel I`m getting the hang on reading Devanagari now, I read like a snail but atleast I recognise the letters 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Teach-Yourself-Beginners-Hindi-Script/dp/0340860227/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b

[NewLaura]

I haven't seen the Beginner's Hindi, but from the description it sounds like maybe it doesn't go as in depth into the grammar or as far as the Teach Yourself Hindi?

I used the Beginner's Hindi Script first before I started the TYH, and I really liked it.  You learn a few characters at a time, and there are writing exercises to practice them.  The TYH just has a list of the characters at the beginning of the book and expects you to learn them on your own.  TYH has transliteration/Romanization of the Hindi through chapter 5, but after that it only has the Devanagari.  If you can already read the Devanagari, you may not need the Beginner's Hindi Script, though.

[punkmama]

नमस्ते!
i have been slacking big time on my hindi and devanagari studies lately, as the stressors at my job have been crushing, culminating in my resignation two weeks ago...good news actually! and also in good news, while searching for a local place to take some dance classes, i accidentally found a hindi study group on meetup!! so excited!! so expect to see more of me around here! i think i will start over again at chapter one in TYH, so if anybody else has been slacking or wants to just start, please do so i have a partner in the basics!

[punkmama]

oh and also some questions...do you all think studying on a regular schedule is better or just casually? i have found so far that if i commit to daily lessons, with a day or two off a week, i retain this material better. i think that the fact that it is totally foreign to me is part of why i need a lot of consistent repetition. part of why i am excited about the the study group is that although it looks like it is just one or two people, it will keep me accountable to studying so that i don't feel like an idiot! if you do keep to a schedule, what is it? i am assuming many of us here are partially or totally self-taught, so i thought it would be a good place to get feedback on how it is done...

[Lima]

Hey everyone, I've been reading through a few books including TYH and Introduction to Hindi Grammar by Usha R. Jain. My biggest problem is figuring out the structure of sentences. Many times I get things backwards and have to really think them through. Is it possible for someone to look through these sentences and let me know if I did these correctly? It would be a huge help! 

1. What is the name of this little girl?
1. इस छोटी लड़की का नाम क्या है?

2. My books are on that big table. Bring them here.
2. मेरी किताबें उस बड़े मेज़ पर हैं. वे यहाँ लाओ.

3. What is the price of this pretty sari from Banaras?
3. इस सुंदर साडी बनारस से का दाम क्या है?

4. Please call that Indian woman
4. उस हिन्दुस्तानी औरत को बताइए

5. Bring the newspaper from that room.
5. अख़बार उस कमरे से लाओ

6. Don't sit on that big chair near the window.
6. खिडकी के पास उस बड़ी कुर्सी में मत बैठो 

7. Please tell (me) the name of this small sweet.
7. इस छोटे मीठे का नाम बताइए

8. Your friends work in this big shop.
8. तुम्हारी दोस्त इस बड़े दूकान में काम करती है.

9. There are many students in this big room.
9. वहां बहुत छात्र इस कमरे में हैं.

10. My friend lives in that big house.
10. मेरा दोस्त उस बड़े घर में रहता है.

Thank you!

[Vinita]

Hey everyone, I've been reading through a few books including TYH and Introduction to Hindi Grammar by Usha R. Jain. My biggest problem is figuring out the structure of sentences. Many times I get things backwards and have to really think them through. Is it possible for someone to look through these sentences and let me know if I did these correctly? It would be a huge help!  

1. What is the name of this little girl?
1. इस छोटी लड़की का नाम क्या है?

2. My books are on that big table. Bring them here.
2. मेरी किताबें उस बड़े मेज़ पर हैं. वे यहाँ लाओ.

3. What is the price of this pretty sari from Banaras?
3. इस सुंदर साडी बनारस से का दाम क्या है?

4. Please call that Indian woman
4. उस हिन्दुस्तानी औरत को बताइए

5. Bring the newspaper from that room.
5. अख़बार उस कमरे से लाओ

6. Don't sit on that big chair near the window.
6. खिडकी के पास उस बड़ी कुर्सी में मत बैठो  

7. Please tell (me) the name of this small sweet.
7. इस छोटे मीठे का नाम बताइए

8. Your friends work in this big shop.
8. तुम्हारी दोस्त इस बड़े दूकान में काम करती है.

9. There are many students in this big room.
9. वहां बहुत छात्र इस कमरे में हैं.

10. My friend lives in that big house.
10. मेरा दोस्त उस बड़े घर में रहता है.

Thank you!

I haven't done the devanagri script bit to my computer yet, so just transliteration. Also, I didn't learn the Snell transliteration, this is my own. Please correct me if I am wrong.
 
3. Is sunder banarasi saDi ka daam kya hai? (Banarasi means "from Banaras")

4. Bataaiyeh is show. You sentence should say, Us Hindustani Aurat ko Bulaiyeh.  

6.  While you have all the correct words, they would sound better if you added a KI in therer.  Maybe something like, Khidiki ke paas KI us khurchi mein mat betho.

7. Should say "meethai" not "meethe", Please, (mujhe) is chote meethai ka naam bataiye.

8.  "Tumhari dost" is singular.  For plural, you need "tumhare dost".  Also, "tumhare dost" is masculine, so you need "karte" instead of "karti"(feminine).
Tumhare dost is bade dookan mein kaam karte hai.

 9. Can be reduced to, Is kamare main bahut chatra hai.

HTH

[Lima]

Thank you so much Vinita!

Is it possible that you could explain the correction to #6? Do you know why the extra "ki" should be added?

[LesAJa]

Hello guys!

I've got some questions regarding Lima's sentences and Viniata's answers:

8. Your friends work in this big shop.
8. तुम्हारी दोस्त इस बड़े दूकान में काम करती है.

8.  "Tumhari dost" is singular.  For plural, you need "tumhare dost".  Also, "tumhare dost" is masculine, so you need "karte" instead of "karti"(feminine).

When all the friends are female, would it be "tumhaarii doste.n ... kartii" then?


6. Don't sit on that big chair near the window.
6. खिडकी के पास उस बड़ी कुर्सी में मत बैठो

Could that kind of sentence be expressed with a jo-construction? Something like:
This big chair near the window, don't sit in it.
jo baRii kursii khiRkii ke paas hai, us me.n mat baiTho.

Thanks for your answers, LesAJa

[Vinita]

Thank you so much Vinita!

Is it possible that you could explain the correction to #6? Do you know why the extra "ki" should be added?

6.  Don't sit on that big chair near the window.
6. Khidki ke paas ki us khurchi mein mat betho.

I don't know the correct "grammar" words to explain it.  But basically, with the "ki" where I suggested, it would indicate that particular chair, as opposed to any other chair in the room.  
HTH

Hello guys!

I've got some questions regarding Lima's sentences and Viniata's answers:

6. Don't sit on that big chair near the window.
6. खिडकी के पास उस बड़ी कुर्सी में मत बैठो

Could that kind of sentence be expressed with a jo-construction? Something like:
This big chair near the window, don't sit in it.
jo baRii kursii khiRkii ke paas hai, us me.n mat baiTho.

Thanks for your answers, LesAJa

Yes, but I'd say it this way, khiRki ke paas jo baRi kursi hai, us mein mat betho(near the window the bight chair, don't sit on it)

[Vinita]

Hello guys!

I've got some questions regarding Lima's sentences and Viniata's answers:

8. Your friends work in this big shop.
8. तुम्हारी दोस्त इस बड़े दूकान में काम करती है.

8.  "Tumhari dost" is singular.  For plural, you need "tumhare dost".  Also, "tumhare dost" is masculine, so you need "karte" instead of "karti"(feminine).

When all the friends are female, would it be "tumhaarii doste.n ... kartii" then?

Female friend(singular) Tumhaari dost.....karti

Female (and male) friends(plural) Tumhaare dost.....karte (on this one, I again cannot explain the "grammar" but it is a correct usage.  Similar to using "mankind" for both men and women, you don't usually say "womenkind".

If you want to specify the gender, you could say "saakhiyan" (female friends(plural)).  Tumhaari saakhiyan......karti

HTH

[DCgal]

Hey everyone, I've been reading through a few books including TYH and Introduction to Hindi Grammar by Usha R. Jain. My biggest problem is figuring out the structure of sentences. Many times I get things backwards and have to really think them through.

I have the same problem.  Any good resources for this kind of drill?

[James]

Unfortunately, I don't know of any drills on the issue, no.

Word order in Hindi isn't as important as it is in English, though, because case is marked by post positions where word order is more of an indicator in English. There is a thread here on precisely that subject that may be a starting point for you on the issue. It's mentioned there that Snell's TYH states on pg 105 that the word order for a neutral sentence is as follows: subject   adverb   ind. obj. + ko    dir. obj.   verb. Perhaps that guideline can be of some use.

[Dancelover]

My local branch library had an old copy of Snell, trade paperback.
They just retired it, and I grabbed it.
I follow some of it, but have some problems.

Dancelover

Unfortunately, I don't know of any drills on the issue, no.

Word order in Hindi isn't as important as it is in English, though, because case is marked by post positions where word order is more of an indicator in English. There is a thread here on precisely that subject that may be a starting point for you on the issue. It's mentioned there that Snell's TYH states on pg 105 that the word order for a neutral sentence is as follows: subject   adverb   ind. obj. + ko    dir. obj.   verb. Perhaps that guideline can be of some use.

[DCgal]

I'm actually using Tuttle, which I LOVE.  But when I get far enough along in that, I'm going to start Snell in parallel.  I find Tuttle much better for introducing the devanagari alphabet than Snell's intro to Hindi script.

[James]

DanceLover, please feel free to post any questions you have here. There are many people, myself included, who'd be happy to help you out.

What's Tuttle, DCgal? I haven't heard of this resource. I wish I had had this website available back when I was learning to read devanagari, I think it's a pretty awesome resource.

[DCgal]

What's Tuttle, DCgal? I haven't heard of this resource. I wish I had had this website available back when I was learning to read devanagari, I think it's a pretty awesome resource.

yes - I LOVE Avashy, and also a Door Into Hindi.

This is Tuttle.  

http://www.amazon.com/Elementary-Hindi-Richard-Delacy/dp/080483962X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1307402316&sr=8-1

It's more accessible than Snell, in that it introduces script a few characters at a time along with grammar.  And - here's the brilliant thing - it does it in a way that seems very logical to English speakers (simple sounds first, then aspirated and odder sounds).  I plan to do both Tuttle and Snell at same time as I get more skilled.  So far I am up to chapter 3 in Tuttle, and about 1/3 of the way through Snell script book.   I plan to start Snell's Beginner's Hindi later this month.

I've had a lot of work trips this month, and it's been great for my Hindi practice.  Last week I was traveling through Chicago and got to listen to a young Indian mom and her little boy (around 3 or 4) chattering to each other.  Since I am way less skilled even than her kid, it was good practice to me to eavesdrop!

[chinchinchu]

Wish A Door into Hindi could get finished, but it remains under construction (at least it was the last time I looked.) I reached the point where some of the lessons were left undone. The videos are lovely.

[Dancelover]

Thank you, James.
When I learn enough to ask a sensible question, I'll post it here.
Dancelover

DanceLover, please feel free to post any questions you have here. There are many people, myself included, who'd be happy to help you out.
[snip]