Punjabi

[panjabigator]

and uh, no its not kanth...its kandh! you can't base it on just one rule, and it's kind of confusing..

Aram se yaar, aram se. I'm not basing anything on a rule, Im just asking some questions to try and deduce what the rule is.  Give me some support here!

Ohh! I'm sorry I didn't mean to make it sound like..the "uh" was my "thinking process" haha. I'm sorry!! Don't hate me
But yea, just generally, I don't think theres any specific way to describe it in a single rule...I say words based on what SOUNDS right - that's about as far as MY grammar goes 

You know I love ya! 

Chup ho ke khunje vich khaDi ho ja...ja CHUP!!!!

[ShArDeE]

and uh, no its not kanth...its kandh! you can't base it on just one rule, and it's kind of confusing..

Aram se yaar, aram se. I'm not basing anything on a rule, Im just asking some questions to try and deduce what the rule is.  Give me some support here!

Ohh! I'm sorry I didn't mean to make it sound like..the "uh" was my "thinking process" haha. I'm sorry!! Don't hate me
But yea, just generally, I don't think theres any specific way to describe it in a single rule...I say words based on what SOUNDS right - that's about as far as MY grammar goes 

You know I love ya! 

Chup ho ke khunje vich khaDi ho ja...ja CHUP!!!!

Phitte muh! Mein kya si na SORRY. Tu kaDHeh meri gal sunda kyon nai lol

 

[panjabigator]

and uh, no its not kanth...its kandh! you can't base it on just one rule, and it's kind of confusing..

Aram se yaar, aram se. I'm not basing anything on a rule, Im just asking some questions to try and deduce what the rule is.  Give me some support here!

Ohh! I'm sorry I didn't mean to make it sound like..the "uh" was my "thinking process" haha. I'm sorry!! Don't hate me
But yea, just generally, I don't think theres any specific way to describe it in a single rule...I say words based on what SOUNDS right - that's about as far as MY grammar goes 

You know I love ya! 

Chup ho ke khunje vich khaDi ho ja...ja CHUP!!!!

Phitte muh! Mein kya si na SORRY. Tu kaDHeh meri gal sunda kyon nai lol

 

Main kisii janaani di gallaan kadi nai maaN vaala!....haha..thas right!  Panga time!


Theek ai....menu vi maaf karo...mere ton kadi kadi innian burian gallan nikal jaandian ne....

[ShArDeE]

and uh, no its not kanth...its kandh! you can't base it on just one rule, and it's kind of confusing..

Aram se yaar, aram se. I'm not basing anything on a rule, Im just asking some questions to try and deduce what the rule is.  Give me some support here!

Ohh! I'm sorry I didn't mean to make it sound like..the "uh" was my "thinking process" haha. I'm sorry!! Don't hate me
But yea, just generally, I don't think theres any specific way to describe it in a single rule...I say words based on what SOUNDS right - that's about as far as MY grammar goes 

You know I love ya! 

Chup ho ke khunje vich khaDi ho ja...ja CHUP!!!!

Phitte muh! Mein kya si na SORRY. Tu kaDHeh meri gal sunda kyon nai lol

 

Main kisii janaani di gallaan kadi nai maaN vaala!....haha..thas right!  Panga time!


Theek ai....menu vi maaf karo...mere ton kadi kadi innian burian gallan nikal jaandian ne....

Haha, trust me, back in the day, mere ton vi burian gallan nikhaldiya si, jadh koi meinu chiraunda si haha

Back to TOPIC though

Um, I actually don't know what to say...I've been trying to test myself though, seeing if I can come up with more examples, but I can't! I'll ask my daddy if there's any specifics about that "r" to "d" thing though. One thing - I think it's pronouced sadak, but at the same time, they're so interchangable it's hard to tell..."sarak te" doesn't sound as correct as "sadak te,"  you get what I'm saying?
 

[panjabigator]

Its the transliteration...believe me, we are saying the same thing.  I just dont know how to type it.  Sheesh....mushkil hegi aa!

[crazyone]

A Punjabi girl I talked to insisted that Hindi and Punjabi were exactly the same, except that you throw in a couple of different endings on some of the nouns in Punjabi--she was really insistent on this, though I didn't believe her.  Later I asked other Punjabis and Hindi speakers and they said they were quite different, that they (good Hindi speakers) couldn't really understand it when their nani spoke Punjabi.  So many of you are Punjabi experts here--could you settle this for me?  I suspect in the former girl's case it was that she was used to hearing her relatives speak a mix of Hindi and Punjabi rather than the two separately.

[panjabigator]

A Punjabi girl I talked to insisted that Hindi and Punjabi were exactly the same, except that you throw in a couple of different endings on some of the nouns in Punjabi--she was really insistent on this, though I didn't believe her.  Later I asked other Punjabis and Hindi speakers and they said they were quite different, that they (good Hindi speakers) couldn't really understand it when their nani spoke Punjabi.  So many of you are Punjabi experts here--could you settle this for me?  I suspect in the former girl's case it was that she was used to hearing her relatives speak a mix of Hindi and Punjabi rather than the two separately.

They are distinct.  My friends can understand me sometimes when I speak to my parents...but then again, there are some punjabi dialects I cannot follow.  Its an interesting story.  The argument that punjabi is a dialect of hindi was so severe that they rearranged punjab linguistically twice because of it....but still improperly because my pind (gao.n) is Ambala, which is in Haryanaa currently, thought my dad grew up in chandigarh. 
http://www.punjabilok.com/misc/terrorism/1.htm  Check this site out!

Some people feel the language is too "rustic" or "vulgar" to teach their children for whatsoever reason.  I dont understand why people would disown their language like that...

Some people do mix languages though...

"main ne jaanaa" is an example of delhi hindi...but this is a punjabi construction  (correct: mujhe jaanaa)

[ShArDeE]

A Punjabi girl I talked to insisted that Hindi and Punjabi were exactly the same, except that you throw in a couple of different endings on some of the nouns in Punjabi--she was really insistent on this, though I didn't believe her.  Later I asked other Punjabis and Hindi speakers and they said they were quite different, that they (good Hindi speakers) couldn't really understand it when their nani spoke Punjabi.  So many of you are Punjabi experts here--could you settle this for me?  I suspect in the former girl's case it was that she was used to hearing her relatives speak a mix of Hindi and Punjabi rather than the two separately.

They are distinct.  My friends can understand me sometimes when I speak to my parents...but then again, there are some punjabi dialects I cannot follow.  Its an interesting story.  The argument that punjabi is a dialect of hindi was so severe that they rearranged punjab linguistically twice because of it....but still improperly because my pind (gao.n) is Ambala, which is in Haryanaa currently, thought my dad grew up in chandigarh. 
http://www.punjabilok.com/misc/terrorism/1.htm  Check this site out!

Some people feel the language is too "rustic" or "vulgar" to teach their children for whatsoever reason.  I dont understand why people would disown their language like that...

Some people do mix languages though...

"main ne jaanaa" is an example of delhi hindi...but this is a punjabi construction  (correct: mujhe jaanaa)

It is very likely that she speaks the Delhi-Punjabi..or rather the city/urbanized punjabi...I don't know if that makes sense? When you here the punjabi in hindi movies, THAT is what I mean. Real punjabi comes from the pinds...well that's not to say that other forms of it are not real, but they are more mixed with hindi than the one from villages. My mom speaks more of the delhi punjabi, as does my boyfriend - you can tell they aren't punjabi speakers - their first language is hindi. Gator's right though - you can mix the languages quite easily and pass it off as Punjabi...but if someone tells you they are not different, that is completely incorrect. Though the languages DO have smilarities (as many from neighbouring regions do), they are two separate languages. So, you're probably right in assuming that your friend hears more of a mixture at home...that used to happen to me a lot too. It still does, but I know the difference. My father is Punjabi and my mother is from Delhi - they speak compeltely differently. My mom, in fact, learned Punjabi after she married my dad...before that she used to speak hindi and only understand Punjabi...so she has still got that slight twist to her words. And then if you hear my dad speak right afterwards, you will undoubtedly notice the difference. That's not to say it doesn't happen wiht my dad as well - when he or my chacha (dad's bro) or any of my tayeh (dad's older brothers) speak hindi, it's quite funny. I mean they are pretty good...but some words just don't come out right, or they come mixed...And endings aren't differentiated between hindi and punjabi. Punjabi ITSELF has differnt endings, depending on what type of punjabi you are speaking. People from the Malwa region (Ludhiana area) end their sentences in "wa"..where as others end in "ah," and yet others in "su." If you've seen Veer-Zaara, you will notice Shabbo and her punjabi - that's more Majja - the Lahore region...or Pakistani punjabi in general. It is still punjabi, but some endings and words are slightly different. When you compare that to the hindi in the rest of the movie, you will realize there is a big difference...even then you can compare Amitabh's punjabi to the hindi being spoken as well - even that might give you a good reference point...
Um, I don't know if that helped at all, but I figured giivng an example might be more useful...

[Daniel]

Not that Im a native speaker, but when I stayed in the pind's, I couldnt understand almost anything.  But when I read it, its not so bad.  I think though, that punjabi has influenced hindi in a few ways.  Maybe I can find the article I glanced at on the topic. 

I also heard an interesting story about one of my friend's relatives who went to live in california for 10 years.  When he returned, speaking the same punjabi as when he left, people laughed at him and said that he was speaking so "old fashioned."  The reason, Im told, is that he was using the pakka punjabi words whereas his relatives had long since been using imported hindi words.

[ShArDeE]

Not that Im a native speaker, but when I stayed in the pind's, I couldnt understand almost anything.  But when I read it, its not so bad.  I think though, that punjabi has influenced hindi in a few ways.  Maybe I can find the article I glanced at on the topic. 

I also heard an interesting story about one of my friend's relatives who went to live in california for 10 years.  When he returned, speaking the same punjabi as when he left, people laughed at him and said that he was speaking so "old fashioned."  The reason, Im told, is that he was using the pakka punjabi words whereas his relatives had long since been using imported hindi words.

Yea, I know what you mean. I, myself, can't understand perfect punjabi either. I mean I can usually make it out if I have to, but you would need to repeat some things... I learned it mostly with my grandmother, because she used to speak to me in Punjabi - she didn't know hindi or english, so it was a given that I had to learn. Considering that she raised me though, it wasn't too difficult, since I could understand since I was young. I still find that I can understand more than I can speak - and when it comes to acutally saying the owrds, they don't always come out properly, especially because my first language is english - sometimes you can't click your tongue in the right way! Haha.

[panjabigator]

Sharde, its a funny thing eh?  My dad is from chandigarh and my mom is from delhi.  And my mom, too, does not speak punjabi natively, albeit she is punjabi.  After marriage she learnt it, though she doesnt typically speak it....sometimes she does.  More often its my speaking to her in punjabi and then when I get stuck, I go to hindi...but she just speaks to my dad in punjabi.  My father will speak either or with her, and punjabi with me.  My sis only speaks english....she is too nervous to try punjabi or hindi...and I doubt she really understands punjabi...i think it will be lost with this generation....I plan to continue with it though.

Anyway....my mom can speak pretty well...but sometimes its a bit labored for her.  What I really enjoy are boliyaan!

[crazyone]

Shardee, Panjabigator, and Daniel, thanks for your responses.  What you said makes a lot of sense to me. 

[zakhm-e-dil]

What does "mai.n ne maardaa jahaan mai.nu saara" mean? Thanks! (good thing i noticed this thread)

[ShArDeE]

What does "mai.n ne maardaa jahaan mai.nu saara" mean? Thanks! (good thing i noticed this thread)

The world taunts me...
"maine mar da jaahan mainu saara, tere meri yun tut gayi soniye, jivveh tuteya ambar toh tarah"
the whole world taunts me, our bond broke, my love/beautiful..the same way with which a star falls from the sky..

[panjabigator]

What does "mai.n ne maardaa jahaan mai.nu saara" mean? Thanks! (good thing i noticed this thread)

The world taunts me...
"maine mar da jaahan mainu saara, tere meri yun tut gayi soniye, jivveh tuteya ambar toh tarah"
the whole world taunts me, our bond broke, my love/beautiful..the same way with which a star falls from the sky..

is maine said in standard punjabi like menu?  I understood the statement...but I was taken aback by main ne and not mainu..

awesome quote!

does enj mean the same thing as yun?...or is yun a different word?

[insaniaity]

Just wanted to mention that this is a Bollywood song from Chalte Chalte and we all know that most lyricists don't write in pure punjabi - just punjabi-fied Hindi!

Panjabigator - I hear Mehnu maarda jahaan mehnu saaraa - too. And yes, "yu.N" is the Hindi equivalent of "ehnj".

[panjabigator]

Just wanted to mention that this is a Bollywood song from Chalte Chalte and we all know that most lyricists don't write in pure punjabi - just punjabi-fied Hindi!

Panjabigator - I hear Mehnu maarda jahaan mehnu saaraa - too. And yes, "yu.N" is the Hindi equivalent of "ehnj".

lol ok cool!
Thanks for the prompness:)

[panjabigator]

Other things about punjabi and hindi

In punjabi, the retroflex "N" is much more common in words.  This is the  "N" that you find in words like  "gaNesh."

Examples:

jaanaa-- becomes JaaNaa
honaa-- hoNaa
 but
karnaa is just karnaa!

[ShArDeE]

Just wanted to mention that this is a Bollywood song from Chalte Chalte and we all know that most lyricists don't write in pure punjabi - just punjabi-fied Hindi!

Panjabigator - I hear Mehnu maarda jahaan mehnu saaraa - too. And yes, "yu.N" is the Hindi equivalent of "ehnj".

It's maine - not mainu or mehnu.
but not "maine" in the way you seem to think - maine in hindi is me/my/etc...but this isn't pronoucned the same way. mehne? i dont know 
Listen to the song and you'll see what I mean...I don't know how to transliterate.


I;m going to sleep. Three goddamn days of studying continuously that obviously did not pay off  - i need sleep lol
Later dudes

[panjabigator]

Just wanted to mention that this is a Bollywood song from Chalte Chalte and we all know that most lyricists don't write in pure punjabi - just punjabi-fied Hindi!

Panjabigator - I hear Mehnu maarda jahaan mehnu saaraa - too. And yes, "yu.N" is the Hindi equivalent of "ehnj".

It's maine - not mainu or mehnu.
but not "maine" in the way you seem to think - maine in hindi is me/my/etc...but this isn't pronoucned the same way. mehne? i dont know 
Listen to the song and you'll see what I mean...I don't know how to transliterate.


I;m going to sleep. Three goddamn days of studying continuously that obviously did not pay off  - i need sleep lol
Later dudes

can you send me the song?  hehe

[Daniel]

Just wanted to mention that this is a Bollywood song from Chalte Chalte and we all know that most lyricists don't write in pure punjabi - just punjabi-fied Hindi!

Panjabigator - I hear Mehnu maarda jahaan mehnu saaraa - too. And yes, "yu.N" is the Hindi equivalent of "ehnj".

It's maine - not mainu or mehnu.
but not "maine" in the way you seem to think - maine in hindi is me/my/etc...but this isn't pronoucned the same way. mehne? i dont know 
Listen to the song and you'll see what I mean...I don't know how to transliterate.


I;m going to sleep. Three goddamn days of studying continuously that obviously did not pay off  - i need sleep lol
Later dudes

It is menu, as far as I have ever heard.  as in "to me" not the oblique first person pronoun and past-marker (which should be the same as in hindi.)

[ShArDeE]

Just wanted to mention that this is a Bollywood song from Chalte Chalte and we all know that most lyricists don't write in pure punjabi - just punjabi-fied Hindi!

Panjabigator - I hear Mehnu maarda jahaan mehnu saaraa - too. And yes, "yu.N" is the Hindi equivalent of "ehnj".

It's maine - not mainu or mehnu.
but not "maine" in the way you seem to think - maine in hindi is me/my/etc...but this isn't pronoucned the same way. mehne? i dont know 
Listen to the song and you'll see what I mean...I don't know how to transliterate.


I;m going to sleep. Three goddamn days of studying continuously that obviously did not pay off  - i need sleep lol
Later dudes

It is menu, as far as I have ever heard.  as in "to me" not the oblique first person pronoun and past-marker (which should be the same as in hindi.)

Trust me.
Listen to the song and you'll know what I'm talking about.
I sent Sean the song, so maybe he'll know when he hears it too..but in my opinion, it doesn't even sound like he's saying "menu". But yeah, if it were, that is what it means - I am aware of that...but then if you look at the sentence, it doesn't make grammatical sense - you don't put mehnu in the same sentence twice..

[Daniel]

You would know better than me, at least thats for sure.  haha and now that you point it out, why WOULD there be two menu's.  you win.

[panjabigator]

What does "mai.n ne maardaa jahaan mai.nu saara" mean? Thanks! (good thing i noticed this thread)

The world taunts me...
"maine mar da jaahan mainu saara, tere meri yun tut gayi soniye, jivveh tuteya ambar toh tarah"
the whole world taunts me, our bond broke, my love/beautiful..the same way with which a star falls from the sky..

ok then....so "mehne mar da jaahan mainu saara, tere meri yun tut gayi soniye, jivveh tuteya ambar toh tarah"...i finally get what sharde is saying! 
mehne marnaa in punjabi is to taunt..
im slow here guys!

[panjabigator]

 http://www.ijunoon.net/punjabi%5Fdic/meanerz.asp
   
taunt
 n. mehna. M; thattha. M;
taunt
 to, v.t. mehna dena or marna; nok launi;