Salman's five year sentance...

[Chris750]

don't riff on my spellings. it's my one weak spot (when my text editor doesn't have a spel checker). 

It's not MY choice here. we are arguing common sense. how does it sound when you say " I road killed a grizzly". like you went  and took it out. as opposed to "I road killed some vension...er..blackbuck"...like you actually did.

Not really, we're arguing numbers. If it's endangered it's endangered, regardless of whether it's a Bengal or a piece of vension. (I'm gonna ask for that for I when I go out for a meal on Saturday night...) To misquote Judge Dredd, the law is the law. If the punishment is five years porridge for killing vension then it's five years.

To say it's only venison is a bit double-standardish; like those vegetarians who wouldn't dream of harming an ickle bunny rabbit but quite happily stamp all all over 'ugly' spiders.

[chandranc]

To say it's only venison is a bit double-standardish; like those vegetarians who wouldn't dream of harming an ickle bunny rabbit but quite happily stamp all all over 'ugly' spiders.

the  human species is double standardy, you know?

people are "pro life" yet they eat eggs for breakfast.

the question is how far do you go in proving a point? instead of enforcement being broad and fair, you want to make examples out of high profile figures. that is what five years is about, not saving vension form a dinner table..

[Chris750]

Well, the human species is example-y using high profile figures. They live in an alternative world. Depending on who you know if you're high profile you either get off scot-free or you get a right good kicking. Unfortunately for the angelic Salman he was in the latter catagory on this occasion.

And for the record; how do you prefer your vension? rare, medium rare, charcoal. I'm usually medium rare...

[phul]

However, I'm pretty sure he's getting out of this, isn't he?  Hiding out in Dubai or some such?

You're entitled to your opinion on the sentence, but please try not to make baseless accusations.  Salman has never gone out of the country to evade any charge, and at present is in prison because of the five year sentence.

I'm not making it up, that's just what I heard.  I guess it's a rumor then but not one I made up.

[chandranc]

Well, the human species is example-y using high profile figures. They live in an alternative world. Depending on who you know if you're high profile you either get off scot-free or you get a right good kicking. Unfortunately for the angelic Salman he was in the latter catagory on this occasion.

And for the record; how do you prefer your vension? rare, medium rare, charcoal. I'm usually medium rare...

Oh I like my roadkill medium on an electric bar-b-q  thank you.

I don't know if celebrites live in an alternate universe, but people that think five years is ..ho hum..another day at work...sure do.

[GreenBear]

Much too much. I would think any jail sentence is too much for killing an endangered species unless one is a professional poacher. Ugh.

[guruduttfan]

Well, the human species is example-y using high profile figures. They live in an alternative world. Depending on who you know if you're high profile you either get off scot-free or you get a right good kicking. Unfortunately for the angelic Salman he was in the latter catagory on this occasion.

And for the record; how do you prefer your vension? rare, medium rare, charcoal. I'm usually medium rare...

unless it is salman khan and THEN  you get the harshest sentence possible . Rather than  salman getting favorable treatment, this is*clearly* a case of salman being punished for his celebrity and his policy of not kissing up to the media this ending up with a bad boy image





Salman sentence is harshest ever
   By: Ketan Ranga
   April 13, 2006
http://web.mid-day.com/1news/city/2006/april/135146.htm

odhpur: Since 1992, there have been 72 cases of animal hunting registered in Jodhpur courts. Of them, only three have resulted in convictions, of which Salman accounts for two.

In fact, the five-year rigorous imprisonment handed out to him is the highest punishment the Jodhpur court has awarded anyone for hunting.

Of the 72 cases, 52 are related to chinkaras and other deer. On February 17 this year, Salman was sentenced to a year’s term for killing two chinkaras in 1998.

On April 10, Salman was again sentenced to five years RI for killing another chinkara. The only other conviction since 1992 in Jodhpur is that of Peparam Bheel.

Said Sagaram Bishnoi, a forest officer, “Among the three convictions in Jodhpur, only Salman has been severely punished. People have been taken to jail after the hunt, but not after the judgment.�

Murder-cum-hunt

In 1996, Bheel from Oshiya village in Jodhpur, had not only killed a chinkara, but also shot the person who tried to save the animal.

He was convicted two years later and sentenced to three years imprisonment under the Wildlife Act for killing the chinkara, and life imprisonment for murder.

Another accused Bastiram Khatik was sentenced to a year, as he was caught with the skin of deer and chinkaras.

Said BJ Mathur, vet from Jodhpur Veterinary Hospital, “Hunting has dipped since the Salman case. Earlier, this was a craze for the upper class people, but the law has now grown stronger. But it’s true that Salman has been targeted as he is a star.�

Target celebs

Shyamlal Bohra from the forest department, who looks after the court cases, said, “There have been cases where the accused has been jailed for two or three days, but never has someone been given a five-year term. In most cases, the witnesses turn hostile or the accused is released after paying a penalty.�

Case by case

30 cases – Trial is on
10 cases - Investigation is complete, but trial yet to begin
15 cases – Investigations are on
4 cases – Trial complete, but arguments remain
3 cases – Convictions
10 cases – Acquittals

 
Who? Salman Khan
What? Awarded highest punishment among all poaching in Jodhpur
How? Out of 72 poachers, only 1 other person — a murderer — has been convicted
 Â    read that and tell me 5 years RI is a fair sentence 
 

[Chris750]

Maybe the judge decided that too many people were getting away with it and thought 'enough's enough'. Still, he's out now isn't he. He can go back to stroking his dog.

[Chris750]

What argument? Whose arguing? When do I ever argue with anyone? And he has gone back to stroking his dog, it said so in another post; he imports food for it and everything. He adores that dog. 

Arguing..

[jemeznj]

Even as a fluffy ickle bunny loving vegetarian (of the non-spider stamping variety), I vote this sentence is way too harsh. If his appeal fails, make him spend all his spare time working for some conservation organisation for the rest of his life or something useful, maybe doing educational videos for them. I reckon that for most non-violent (to other humans I mean) crimes, prison is just an expensive way to turn people into alienated and more efficient criminals.  But that's probably another discussion thread.

[Chris750]

all I know is that you can't argue with the facts guruduttfan quotes/posts.

I'm not arguing.  If four and twenty blokes with big guns get a slap on the wrist for killing wild animals and then Salman 'love me love my dog' Khan gets five years wi no sleeping bag it's not arguing the facts to suggest the judge might have been a bit brassed off with everyone getting away with light sentences. Maybe he thought past convictions were not severe enough to act as a deterrent.

Imagine how he must have felt. He wakes up one morning, obliged to pass a harsh sentence for poaching and who is up in front of him: Salman Khan, a dog's best friend. What I think they call in the judicial system 'a dilemma'.

You know sometimes I think I'm dreaming all this...

[chandranc]

it's not arguing the facts to suggest the judge might have been a bit brassed off with everyone getting away with light sentences. Maybe he thought past convictions were not severe enough to act as a deterrent.

I don't know how ol blighty looks at this(or even the senior regulars at the pub at oak knob on the wigham, during the weekend's cricket match)  but  o'er here in TS Eliot country they have a term for that above : Miscarriage of justice.

[Chris750]

Well you've changed your tune. One minute it's a lapse in common sense, now it's a miscarriage of justice. You'll be saying next it was the black buck's fault for walking in front of the bullet.

And what's all this 'oak knob on the wigham'. Senior regulars at any pub in Wigan probably think a black buck is something you get after drinking a bad pint.

[chandranc]

Well you've changed your tune. One minute it's a lapse in common sense, now it's a miscarriage of justice.

It's a lapse of common sense on part of the magistrate that resultd in a miscarriage of justice.

[Chris750]

Alright then. But next time Salman Khan is dropping his trousers in David Dhawan's 'Mujshe Garam Pyaar No. 1' with a sound like a nose flute in the background, think what might have been.

Now it's ten past midnight here in Wigan and my supper's waiting to have its throat cut. 

[mrs. k]

Alright then. But next time Salman Khan is dropping his trousers in David Dhawan's 'Mujshe Garam Pyaar No. 1' with a sound like a nose flute in the background, think what might have been.

Now it's ten past midnight here in Wigan and my supper's waiting to have its throat cut. 

Oooo - will he have his shirt off too??  Well, then I have even more reason to rejoice that he got out on bail....

What argument? Whose arguing? When do I ever argue with anyone? And he has gone back to stroking his dog, it said so in another post; he imports food for it and everything. He adores that dog. 

Arguing..

Oh my god - I think we now have irrefutable proof here that the press has it in for Salman -  that article on Salman and his dogs has to be one of the lamest puff pieces I've ever read.  If it was trying to garner any sympathy for Salman, it had the direct opposite affect. 

I love Salman but I would never argue that he is an innocent angel, totally blameless and at the mercy of fate.  But I think this case is just another example of how in the desire to make an example of him, the powers-that-be go overboard and end up sabotaging that intention.  So by convicting him and giving him such an out of line sentence, instead of having the intended message that no one is above the law, not even a celebrity, the judge has turned the debate into how Salman was screwed over because of his celebrity.  (Though I guess you could argue that maybe 5 years rigorous imprisonment is not so out of the norm since what kind of   norm can there  be when we are talking about three convictions  over a 14 year period and he accounts for two of them!!    ) The same thing happened in his car accident case - in the fervor to prove that they weren't going to go easy on him, they slapped on him that culpable homicide charge which was totally inappropriate and never used on anybody else who had a similar accident and he had to stay in jail until eventually those charges were thrown out.   So he ended up looking like a victim of an overzealous prosecution

Basically, there shouldn't be exceptions made for anybody - either in or out of his or her favor...

If you are going to argue that no one should get better treatment because they are rich, famous, influential, hot, sexy, whatever - then it's hypocritical to think it's okay to give somebody  a stiffer sentence  or to screw them over in the legal process because of those attributes - because we should all be equal under the law, right?  Whether or not it's Salman, Genghis or Joe Schmo Khan we're talking about here...